Wednesday, January 5, 2011

Brace Yourself For Tribulation

This sequel to The End Times Passover (Why Christians Will Suffer Great Tribulation) biblically proves why God's true disciples will experience great tribulation, and will have to remain on earth awaiting the return of Jesus Christ. Most evangelical Christians believe in The Rapture - a unique event where they believe Jesus Christ will return to earth and snatch them secretly up to heaven while all hell breaks loose on earth - but what would happen if there wasn't going to be a Rapture? Are they prepared to experience great tribulation?

Learn more about Why Christians Will Suffer 'Great' Tribulation from author, radio host and founder of God's Broadcaster Ministries, Joe Ortiz.


  1. If you are supporting the idea that the Church will not be Raptured before the start of Daniels 70th week, I am disappointed. This shows a lack of understanding the purpose of the Tribulation and not understanding of the nature of God. Daniels 70th week is God pouring out his wrath on unbelievers and by God's very nature, he can not pour out his wrath on the Church. Please do some study on the purpose of Daniels 70th week, before you take a stand that sucks the hope from the believer of the blessed hope of the Rapture of the Church.

  2. 2 Peter 3:4

    They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”

  3. Question: "When is the Rapture going to occur in relation to the Tribulation?"

    Answer: The timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation is one of the most controversial issues in the church today. The three primary views are pre-tribulational (the rapture occurs before the tribulation), mid-tribulational (the rapture occurs at or near the mid-point of the tribulation), and post-tribulational (the rapture occurs at the end of the tribulation). A fourth view, commonly known as pre-wrath, is a slight modification of the mid-tribulational position.

    First, it is important to recognize the purpose of the tribulation. According to Daniel 9:27, there is a seventieth “seven” (seven years) that is still yet to come. Daniel’s entire prophecy of the seventy sevens (Daniel 9:20-27) is speaking of the nation of Israel. It is a time period in which God focuses His attention especially on Israel. The seventieth seven, the tribulation, must also be a time when God deals specifically with Israel. While this does not necessarily indicate that the church could not also be present, it does bring into question why the church would need to be on the earth during that time.

    The primary Scripture passage on the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It states that all living believers, along with all believers who have died, will meet the Lord Jesus in the air and will be with Him forever. The rapture is God’s removing His people from the earth. A few verses later, in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, Paul says, “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” The book of Revelation, which deals primarily with the time period of the tribulation, is a prophetic message of how God will pour out His wrath upon the earth during the tribulation. It seems inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth to suffer through the wrath of the tribulation. The fact that God promises to deliver Christians from wrath shortly after promising to remove His people from the earth seems to link those two events together.

    Another crucial passage on the timing of the rapture is Revelation 3:10, in which Christ promises to deliver believers from the “hour of trial” that is going to come upon the earth. This could mean two things. Either Christ will protect believers in the midst of the trials, or He will deliver believers out of the trials. Both are valid meanings of the Greek word translated “from.” However, it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept from. It is not just the trial, but the “hour” of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the tribulation. The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pre-tribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation.

    Recommended Resource: Three Views on the Rapture by Gleason L. Archer, Jr., ed..

  4. I believe in the prophetic 70 weeks of Daniel and the rapture...but when does it take place?

    In Revelation three types of end of age believers.

    Rev 6: 5th seal believers ( souls under the heavenly altar of incense ) crying out to God to avenge their deaths ( martyred ). Their receive their white robes ( glorified bodies ) and told to rest a little while more. IMO, the church age believers.

    At the end of the Rev 6, catyclismic earth upheaval points to the Day of the Lord. Even the wicked understand the sign of His coming.

    Rev 7: "After this" John sees the sealing of 144,000 of the tribes of Israel. 144,000 who also recognize the sign of His coming at the end of Chap 6, who repent and confess that Jesus truly is their Messiah. These are the 6th seal believers.

    It seems that the rest of the believers that the 5th seal believers cried out for previously, were collectively caught up into the throne room of God, join with the other 5th seal believers who were resting under the heavenly throne in their white robes. Not by rapture, But by mass murder.

    God said:

    "Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been."

    A mass holocaust of 5th seal believers on earth completes the number of believers to receive white robes in the heavenly throne room of God.

    Rev 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring,on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

    Rev 13:7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them

    Chap 7 describes the reunited group of "killed" believers as the new priests of the Temple of God:

    "Therefore they are before the throne of God,
    and serve him day and night in his temple"

    This occurs after the sealing of the 144,000 of the tribes of Israel.

    Angels withheld the destruction of the earth until all were sealed:

    "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."

    It seems that 144,000 Jews come to Christ after witnessing the great sign of His coming in Chapter 6. The time of Jacob's trouble begins. This group I call the 6th seal believers.

    Revelation 8 - The seventh seal.
    Includes the 7 trumpets, the 7 thunders, the 7 plagues.

    During the 7th seal, still more sinners repent and believe, no doubt because of the witness of the 144,000 6th seal believers. I call this growing group the 7th seal believers.

    Rev 9 (the 1st of 3 woes) The 5th trumpet opens the abyss. Those 6th and 7th sealed believers are divinely protected. Those who are not sealed, are not protected. The 6th trumpet looses the 4 mighty angels chained at the Euphrates...hell unleashed on earth.

  5. PART II

    "They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

    Revelation 11: (the 2nd woe) Still within the 7th seal, we have the 2 witnesses and the beast that rises out of the abyss in chapter 9.

    The 7th trumpet of the 7th seal sounds, and the heavenly temple is opened and the ark of the covenant revealed.

    ""The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever."

    Revelation 14: Rapture? After the 7th trumpet
    (Yom Terauh?)

    1Then I looked,and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
    No mention of killing, or death. Just appearance as the heavenly temple is opened.

    Three angels delivery 3 messages to those still on the earth...worship or take the mark of the beast and you will suffer God's wrath.

    Yet another harvest of believers occurs at the 7th trumpet...3rd message

    "12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

    13And I heard a voice from heaven saying "Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Blessed indeed," says the Spirit,"that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!"

    Blessed are the dead, those who rapture for this group.

    I called this group of believers the 7th trumpet believers.

    Rev 15- the 7 plagues of the 7th seal
    The wrath of God is finished.

    The 7th trumpet believers are found as the Temple Choir:

    2And I saw what appeared to be a sea of glass mingled with fire—and also those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name, standing beside the sea of glass with harps of God in their hands. 3And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb

    Rev 19: The King Returns with His Army

    14And the armies of heaven,arrayed in fine linen, white and pure,were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

    Rev 20 The First Resurrection

    There are some 7th seal believers who are raised from the dead (as a sign to those who survived Armegeddon?)as judges for the Millenium reign of Christ:

    4Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years


    5th sealed believers ( church age ): Martyred til "number complete", including a possible holocaust.

    6th seal believers ( 144K, Tribes of Israel ) raptured, no death terms associated here

    7th seal believers experience bodily death, but protected from the torturious acts of Satan's minions.

  6. Here is another view. Daniel's 70th week is not a seven week tribulation time period. It was three and a half years before the cross and three and a half years after the cross. He who confirms a covenant is, Jesus, Gal chapter 3. There is no Rapture in Revelation because most of Revelation, up to the 19th chapter was fulfilled by 70 A.D.

  7. Oh, we have a partial preterest. I think preterism totally misses the mark and does not do the scripture any justice.

  8. Can anyone show me in scripture where it literally says that an Anti-Christ will make a covenant with the nation of Israel? Especially in the book of Revelation?

  9. What! No takers on the previous post? Or is it you just can't find the answer?

  10. Ok, let's say there is no covenant...does that mean you should not be prepared to risk your neck?

    In Revelation 20:4

    "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

    You may think Revelation was fulfilled in 70 AD.
    But the Global Jihad is coming, and the nonbelievers will submit or be beheaded.


    Surah 8:12 says, “God revealed His will to the angels, saying: ‘I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels [i.e. Christians and Jews]. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.’”

    Surah 47:4, which says, “When you meet the unbelievers [i.e. Christians and Jews] in the battlefield strike off their heads.”

    Brace yourself for tribulation.

  11. No, if your wrong on one point, don't you think you may be wrong on other points as well???


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